Minutes of VC about nrenum.net 2008-06-18 ========================================= Date/Time: ---------- 18.06.2008 / 10:30 - 11:30 CET Participants: ------------- - Mihaly Meszaros - Kewin Stoeckigt - Peter Szegedi - Bernie Hoeneisen (chair and secretary) Agenda: ------- 1) Action Points of last meeting 2) Discussion about policy issues 3) AOB Minutes: -------- 1) Action Points of last meeting AP1 (Peter): Approval of Terena (Peter) - nrenum.net will be moved forward to a productive service ==> ok, will be called pilot service (for political reasons) - part of the Terena portfolio ==> ok ==> Terena is able to commit for a certain time (minimum time to be defined) - Policy board ==> Might be overkill ==> Resolved AP2 (Andras): Possible later GEANT/GN2 involvement could be discussed in the Berlin meeting ==> No progress information available AP3 (Peter): Mediawiki and account handling and mailing lists - Go with Mediawiki, unless Terena has an issue ==> Ok, even under domain nrenum.net ==> Will be set up latest next week - Account handling to be figured out ==> currently only local accounts possible (for technical reasons) - Mailinglists under nrenum.net ==> o.k. ==> In the beginning there is a need for: - discussion mailing list e.g. < discuss (o) nrneum.net > (or other name as suitable) - address for zone delegation requests: - < delegations (o) nrenum.net > - address already exists for this purpose, but current mailbox needs to be moved to Terena - Request Tracker (e.g. Mantis, trouble ticket or or similar) solution preferred, if available. Otherwise a mailing-list with archiving function would also do the job ==> Mediawiki and mailinglists / request tracker to be set up (**AP11: Peter, Kewin & Bernie**) ==> Resolved (partly replaced by AP11) AP4 (Peter, Kewin & Bernie): Transfer of ownership and registrar ==> Ongoing 2) Discussion about policy issues Misi: - Asks about audition/monitoring - Nameservers - Delegations - Policy enforcement, e.g. if e164.arpa gets available after some time Bernie: - Asks for agreement that no decisions concering this issues are made now, (could be discussed at some later stage). ==> No objections Bernie: - We have a charter for trial - Principles of trials can be easily applied to (pilot) service - What more is needed? Misi: - Mentions virtual numbers and mixing nrenum.net / e164.arpa population Kewin: - Opposed to virtual numbers - Is against charter (as now) - Transition to e164.arpa gets troublesome - Mentions negative experience with GDS and virtual numbers - Opposed to allow mix - Confusion is a risk Misi: - Sees the points of Kewin Bernie: - Agrees with Kewin Misi: - Mentions regualatory impact on real e164 numbers - Some restrictions do not apply to non-e164 numbers - Might impact nrenum.net operations Bernie: - Is not sure about policies in different countries - Usually only a problem if routed on PSTN - Asks whether there are countries, where legal restrictions cause this kind of problems Misi: - Thinks Hungary has such problems - Concerned about lawful interception and keeping CDRs for legal resons Kewin: - ENUM is independent on the telephony service, rules should therefore not apply ==> Put discussion to trial mailinglist Bernie: - Should we assign somebody to rewite the policy document? Voleenteers? Peter: - Offers to review it ==> Find someone on the mailing lists (trial or tf-ecs) to take the lead for writing such a document. (**AP12: N.N.**) Bernie: - How about appeals? Do we need a body for this? - Appeals could come up: - If delegation is rejected - If delegation was made, but not according to policy Peter: - Guidance/Appeal process should go to the policy document Kewin: - Proposes majority decision among the members Bernie: - Is concerned that this is rather vage - Who is member? NRENs? Persons? Which NRENs? Only those with delegations? Misi: - Terena should be given the final word. Peter: - If Terena is officially assigned this role it's ok with Terena ==> 1) Appaels sent to discussion mailing list 2) If not resolved there within four weeks, Terena will make the final descison Misi: - What should be role of zone host (the one who actually inserts the delegation to the zone; SWITCH NOC)? ==> 1) Take in delegation request 2) check whether is is policy conform if ok, add if not ok, reject Bernie: - Will _try_ to write a rough draft proposal based on todays discussion (**AP13: Bernie**) 3) AOB Nothing List of Open Action Points: --------------------------- AP2 (Andras): Possible later GEANT/GN2 involvement AP4 (Peter, Kewin & Bernie): Transfer of ownership and registrar AP11 (Peter, Kewin & Bernie): Mediawiki and mailinglists / request tracker to AP12 (N.N.): Find author of policy document AP13 (Bernie): Draft proposal of policy document Legend: ------- ==> : Conclusion **APnn: Name** : Action Point